Steve Bannon, Jack Posobiec, Natalie Winters, and Rep. Ana Paulina Luna call for President Trump to appoint a special counsel that can empanel a federal grand jury and release as much of the Jeffrey Epstein documents as possible, warning that the continued existence of the “MAGA” movement depends on it. “The Epstein situation gets down to one basic question. One basic question: Who governs this country? Right? Who governs this country?” Bannon said. “Is it a shadowy network of intelligence-MI6, Saudi intelligence, the Mossad, CIA-with other international financiers and corporations? Or do the people of the United States govern?” “For this to go away, you’re going to lose 10% of the MAGA movement,” Bannon said to Trump. “They’ve disheartened the hardest-core populist nationalists. That’s always been the question: Who governs us?”

REP. ANA PAULINA LUNA: Remember, the American people had inclinations. They suspected. There’s a lot of theories. But to treat the American people as if they’re stupid and they can’t make the determination for themselves. The way that they need to handle the Epstein files is they need to-no one wants to see child pornography, no one wants to see victim information-but there should be information available for the public to decide what they so choose in regards to the investigation. That needs to be publicly out there. They need to roll it out how they did with the JFK files. I don’t believe this whole notion of, you know-no one. I just don’t. JACK POSOBIEC: Dershowitz just came out and said there are people involved. Dershowitz, who was Epstein’s lawyer, says there are people involved, and even he says that it’s being suppressed. STEVE BANNON: It seems to me-here’s what you got to do. Special counsel, special prosecutor has two mandates. The first mandate is to go to the court and request formally-which the Justice Department refused to do-to unveil, release all the secure documentation, because the court has, you know, has put [it] behind a wall… Not just SDNY. A federal judge has done it. You’ve got to go to the judge to unseal the documents. Those documents, once sealed, plus all of the information-all of the information they have, every piece that that memo talked about that, Oh, it’s not credible-all information by the special counsel, then must be released to the public. Let the public determine that, right? And on the child pornography that was uploaded, maybe a special group inside there can redact or whatever or lead to it. But all that. In addition-the second mandate has to be that the special counsel has the ability to empanel a federal grand jury, criminal grand jury, and start to look at what Mike Benz is talking about-about the intelligence coordination here. REP. ANA PAULINA LUNA: If I can just add in, Steve-and also too, I think that specifically the reason why this is such a big issue right now is because of how it’s been handled. Like, Jack, you actually did a really good explanation on what actually happened. And I think that people are really frustrated because it’s like-they were promised information. They were not promised information. There’s too much conflicting information in general. And then, you know, you have people like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, that-they can release certain information, but they can’t do it without the approval of the Department of Justice. Absolutely getting destroyed right now online. And Karoline Leavitt-who you guys all know, Caroline Levitt’s not part of the swamp-but she’s getting destroyed. So this is, I think, what the American people want, and it’s not just a Republican base issue. It’s massively bipartisan. Democrats and Independents want- STEVE BANNON: But back to the Republican base. The only way this thing-the firestorm-passes is if the 5 to 10 to maybe 15% of the Trump movement, the Pepes and the hardcores-many of whom are in this audience-just say, I’ve had enough of it. The Epstein situation gets down to one basic question. One basic question: Who governs this country? Right? Who governs this country? Is it a shadowy network of intelligence-MI6, Saudi intelligence, the Mossad, CIA-with other international financiers and corporations? Or do the people of the United States govern? All that information has come out, and the people have to weigh and measure it themselves. This is the most populist thing we can do right now. It’s not about just a pedophile ring and all that. It’s about who governs us. Right? And that’s why it’s not going to go away. For this to go away-can we blow the break, by the way? Can we blow the break, guys? For this to go away, you’re going to lose 10% of the MAGA movement. If we lose 10% of the MAGA movement right now, we ain’t-we’re going to lose 40 seats in ’26. We’re going to lose the president. They don’t even have to steal it, which they’re going to try to do in ’28, because they’re going to sit there and they go, They’ve disheartened the hardest-core populist nationalists. That’s always been the question: Who governs us? JACK POSOBIEC: When Vladimir Putin came out, and he was in that interview withTucker-there was a line in there that’s always stuck with me. And he said, You can’t negotiate with the presidents. He said, I’ve been here for a lot of presidents. You can’t negotiate with the presidents. He said, I used to try to. But then I realized something-that the presidents weren’t the ones in power. He said, The United States is controlled by the men in dark suits. They come out after the president and they correct what the president said. And he said, Those are the ones that are actually in charge of your country. That’s what the Russians are saying. They’re laughing at you. They say, You want to call us not democratic? At least we’re honest about it. NATALIE WINTERS: And I’m sure APL can speak to this, but it’s like-time after time, whether it’s the Hunter Biden hard drive, the Weaponization Committee-we have the easiest case to make. It’s just: release the documents. Meanwhile, the Democrats for the last four years, off of trumped-up charges-they created four felony indictments against President Trump. They threw you in prison for bogus charges. They threw thousands of J-6ers in prison for completely trumped-up BS charges. We have the easiest case to make. We don’t even have to lie about it. STEVE BANNON: Let the American people be the jury here. Just release the documents and let people weigh and measure it. Right? REP. ANA PAULINA LUNA: Trust and transparency.
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