Megyn Kelly is joined by Ben Shapiro, author of “Lions and Scavengers,” to debate whether Jeffrey Epstein was working with U.S. or Israeli intelligence, legitimate questions about Epstein’s prison death, and more. From “The Megyn Kelly Show” on SiriusXM:

MEGYN KELLY: I have my own sources high up in law enforcement, let’s say – I’ll just go that far – who say, not only do we believe he was an agent, but we don’t believe he killed himself. BEN SHAPIRO: I mean, that’s fine. They should come out, and they should say that, and then they should say who’s covering that up. MEGYN KELLY: They can’t. There are a lot of people who say they can’t. They can’t because let’s look at what the administration is saying right now, they don’t want to be the one to cross Trump. My position is: Show us all the evidence so we can come to our own conclusions. BEN SHAPIRO: I agree with you. That’s fine. But in the absence of that, I have the names of the people who are making the claim that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, and that the most gross and sort of extreme of the conspiracy theories… the most extreme version of the theory, is not true. I have the names of the people who are claiming that they are all in the administration. And this is my point. If other people want to make those claims that are counter to that, then they should provide evidence, or at least put their names on it, so we can question them about that as well, because otherwise we’re just in the realm of pure speculation, and frankly, I just don’t find that useful. I would love more useful information. This is why I’m angry at Pam Bondi… MEGYN KELLY: Look Ben, you can’t come to me and say, Everybody I know says he killed himself. And then I respond saying, I actually have my own sources who say he didn’t. And then you say, Well, your sources are not valid because they won’t put their names on it. Let’s go down the list, and then we’ll talk about why they might be saying that. BEN SHAPIRO: My sources are President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, Kash Patel the head of the FBI, Dan Bongino the deputy head of the FBI, and Pam Bondi the attorney general. And those aren’t just my sources. They’re everybody’s sources, because they publicly came out and said this. MEGYN KELLY: Trump hasn’t specifically weighed in on that specific aspect of it. We’ve all seen the limited things that Trump has said and tweeted on this. And JD Vance was calling for transparency and suggesting otherwise prior to taking office, he hasn’t commented on this so far… I’m talking about people behind the scenes who prior to Trump taking office – I’m not going to get too specific – but trust me, I have high-level sources who have said they don’t believe any of that. And I’m not going to out them for purposes of convincing you, but you’re telling me name them. No I’m not going to… BEN SHAPIRO: Hold on, Megyn, I’m not saying you should name them. I’m saying they should name themselves, because otherwise they are being complicit in one of the greatest cover-ups in the history of America… MEGYN KELLY: That’s easy for you to say, Ben… BEN SHAPIRO: Why? MEGYN KELLY: You’ll have your job and you’ll have your millions… BEN SHAPIRO: What? Megyn, give me a break. If somebody came out today, and they were a whistleblower on the greatest scandal in the history of the American Republic, it would make more money tomorrow than in their entire life working for the FBI. That’s ridiculous. MEGYN KELLY: There are reasons not to cross the people who are in charge. And that’s all I’m going to say. This is me not having drawn a conclusion. I don’t know what the truth is. I’ve been reporting, in a way… I see you’ve taken a side that you’ve chosen to believe the story that’s being offered, and that’s fine, a lot of people have. I’m not there yet. I don’t actively say that there’s a pedophile ring. I don’t say any of that. I’m just following the facts, and we’re not at the place where I can draw that conclusion.

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