Former MSNBC host Joy Reid and “Piers Morgan Uncensored” host Piers Morgan battle over the reason why her show was cancelled.

PIERS MORGAN: You’re perfectly entitled to be proud of your show. Many people enjoyed your show for many years. A lot of people at NBC were briefing that the reason was declining ratings post the election, a 47% decrease in your ratings from pre-election. But you told Mark Lamont Hill on his show this. JOY REID: After I said on my show that the reason Americans could relate to Ukrainians in a way that they didn’t relate to Palestinians, that Ukrainians are white. And so watching white people get their schools bombed was, you know, hit different. That hit our ratings. I mean, it definitely, we could see the loss of white viewers from that moment that I said that. So they were like, we don’t like the name calling. And also I’m a Black woman. So, I mean, I’m sure it makes them angrier, you know, when I say things. Maybe because I am a global South person myself, you know, I mean, as a Black person, we have a different empathy toward other global South people when they are suffering. And so we’re going to come at that story from a different angle and in a different way and with different kinds of empathies. And I think that’s not always received very well in the news business. PIERS MORGAN: Now, Joy, I mean, look, let’s be honest, I don’t think you were fired after all those years because of your skin color or because you’re a Black woman. I think you were fired because your show just got increasingly unpopular. It happens all the time in TV. That’s why you got let go. Why play the race card? JOY REID: First of all, I love the fact that your play the race card is your version of the race card. You literally are so fixated on trying to racialize conversations with me, Piers. I find it actually quite charming. MORGAN: You’ve racialized more conversations in your tenure at MSNBC than any host in history. Come on! REID: Alright, Piers. MORGAN: Come on! REID: And the bottom line is you take an entire conversation that I had with Marc Lamont Hill and pick the bits that you can racialize because this is your schtick. And I get that this is your schtick. PIERS MORGAN: Are you racializing everything, Joy? Come on. REID: I get it. I understand this is your schtick, Piers. And listen, game, recognize the game. I get that this is your game. MORGAN: It’s not my schtick. It was your schtick. REID: It’s your schtick, and everyone knows that it is. It was your schtick. And people got bored with it. And it is so interesting to me that you yourself as a white European find that when people of color talk about race, that you believe is racializing conversations. But when people like you fixate on, well, Barack Obama was a black president. Why don’t you object to that? That is racializing a conversation about the former president of the United States. But you can’t put your and I’m sure you find that charming and funny. MORGAN: I find it hilarious because you’re the one. You’re the one who said Donald Trump. REID: You and your friend Donald Trump. MORGAN: You’re the one who said Donald Trump is a white fascist. REID: He is. Well, I agree. MORGAN: And yet when Obama did the same thing, I’m not allowed to mention his skin color!

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