Megyn Kelly is joined by Tucker Carlson, host of “The Tucker Carlson Show,” to discuss why obsessing over Donald Trump either from love or hate is unhealthy, why Tucker would vote for Trump again over “idiot” Kamala Harris, and more. Carlson warned of volatility and change coming and wondered if the country is prepared for it. “I do believe it’s clear that volatility is coming for sure, and there’s going to be a lot of change, and it doesn’t mean everyone’s going to get hurt,” Carlson told Kelly. Some people will thrive in the middle of it. Bill Ackman will be just fine. He’ll be richer than ever. We know that. But a lot of us will be fine too. But some people are going to get hurt. I feel that really strongly, and I feel really sad about it, and I just hope that we can keep our heads one way or the other.” “Just remember that Trump turns 80 next month, you know, and I hope he has a great birthday,” Carlson continued. “I don’t wish Trump ill. I never will wish Trump ill. I always have a gut-level affection for Trump. That will never change. However, he will be gone relatively soon, and we’ll still have this country. And after 10 years of thinking and talking about him all day, every day, I just wonder if we’re prepared for what that’s going to look like. I don’t think things are going well. I think they could be a lot worse.”

MEGYN KELLY: The main things I voted for Trump for weren’t the wasn’t about the war, it was I wanted to push back on the trans insanity. You know, I’m a mother with three young kids. And I wanted him to close the border. And he did, he did those two things. So I’m, I still would describe myself as a supporter. You know, I’m, I feel betrayed by Trump. I think, you know, what he’s done, he’s been pretty grifty in the office. He has not lived up to the promise on the Middle East wars. And that’s a huge one that’s going to cost us who knows how much down the line, I too worry a lot about domestic terror attacks and response, and a possible nuclear spiral in the Middle East. But what do you say to people who say, well, what’s the alternative? You know, like, you didn’t want Kamala Harris to win, right? Neither of us could have stood for that. So like, had if you had it to do over again, what would you have done? TUCKER CARLSON: Well, I don’t know that I feel bad about voting for Trump. I, I would never vote for Kamala. First of all, I’m never going to vote. I’m opposed to abortion. And that’s just a bottom line issue for me. Like I’m never going to change that. I really mean it. It’s at the kind of the top of my list of things I care about. So I’m never going to vote for a pro abortion candidate ever. I would never vote for Kamala Harris. And she was an idiot, obviously. So I don’t really feel bad about choosing Trump in that binary. What I feel bad about is getting up and saying, you know, vote for Trump, no more wars. And that just turned out not to be true. And by the way, I’m not a Trump hater. I’ve noticed my whole, I’ve known Trump for 25 years. And I’ve noticed in the last 10 years that people who organize their lives around Trump, pro or con, don’t tend to thrive. They tend to become irrational. If you hate Trump too much, if you love Trump too much, it’s not good for you. He’s a man. He’s got good qualities. He’s got weaknesses. I’m happy to describe his good qualities. He’s got a million good qualities. But I’ve just never put Trump at the center of my life either way. And I would not recommend doing that, again, positive or negative. It’s not good to obsess over another person unless you happen to be married to the person, unless it’s that obsession is love. I just think it’s unhealthy, super unhealthy to treat our leaders like gods or devils. They’re not. They’re just people. I’m just mad that he betrayed the country on this war. I do think I have a million concerns, and the trans question is definitely one of them, for sure, and immigration too, for sure. However, war, when you read the history of nations, civilizations, rise and fall is determined primarily by war. Nothing changes a civilization more quickly, more profoundly, more permanently than war. That’s just my read on history and the nature of life. You’ve got to pay attention to the wars, and because we have an all-volunteer force, and it’s kind of a cast. People who fight our wars are usually the children of people who fought our wars. It’s a specific kind of world that fights our wars, and they’re great at it, of course. There are upsides to that. But it means that most of us are so detached from the cost of war that it’s very easy to support them because you don’t have a good sense of the downside. There’s also something about getting older that tends to make some people bloodthirsty. I don’t know why that is, but the Rupert Murdoch’s and the Lindsey Graham’s, it’s like people over 70, I hate to say this, tend to be pretty cavalier about killing, maybe because they’re not exposed or they don’t love their grandchildren or they don’t care about their country or they’re on their way out. I don’t know what it is, dementia, but there is almost a one-to-one connection between age and a willingness to commit other people’s children to war. You see this in the polling. KELLY: I have a son who’s almost 17, so yeah, I’m in a different place. A lot of my audience feels the same. There are moms who may have been more pro-war post-9-11. It was one thing, but we are not living in a post-9-11 world in the way we were back in 2002, 2003, and 2004 when we were launching the retaliatory war in Afghanistan and then the unnecessary war in Iraq. We’re not. We’re in a different place. We have to be honest about the cost of those wars, the lies that we were told by our government and so on, but what happens to Trump now, right? Because with these terrible approval numbers, with the midterms all but lost already to the Republicans, he basically becomes a lame duck after those midterms one way or another because the 2028 presidential election gets into full swing after midterms and all the focus goes on the new person, not on the one who’s holding the office. Especially if he’s got a Democrat-controlled House, God forbid, a Democrat-controlled Senate too. There’s no legislation that’s going to get through, not that any did his first year. We had one piece of big legislation. Well, two. We had the taxes extended and tax cuts, and we had the Lake and Riley Act, but in any event, so what happens to Trump now? CARLSON: You know, on inauguration day, I got up really early and I went to church with Trump and Charlie Kirk. I sat with Charlie Kirk right behind Trump in church, and I had a whole, and I said my prayers, and I had a lot of thoughts about what this new world was going to look like, and all of them were wrong. So it’s so important to remember that, that we’re just not good at predicting the future. You know, we imagine like this is going to happen in November in the midterms. Maybe, maybe not. Like we don’t really know. I do believe it’s clear that volatility is coming for sure, and there’s going to be a lot of change, and it doesn’t mean everyone’s going to get hurt. Some people will thrive in the middle of it. Bill Ackman will be just fine. He’ll be richer than ever. We know that. But a lot of us will be fine too. But some people are going to get hurt. I just, I just feel that really strongly, and I feel really sad about it, and I just hope that we can keep our heads one way or the other, and just remember that Trump turns 80 next month, you know, and I hope he has a great birthday. I don’t wish Trump ill. I never will wish Trump ill. I always have a gut level affection for Trump. That will never change. However, he will be gone relatively soon, and we’ll still have this country. And after 10 years of thinking and talking about him all day every day, I just wonder if we’re prepared for what that’s going to look like. I don’t think things are going well. I think they could be a lot worse. I think there, I can think, imagine other leaders who are both malicious and competent. Trump is incompetent, so that’s a good thing in some ways. I mean, Gavin Newsom is not incompetent, and he’s far more malicious than Trump. I think he’s far less transparent than Trump. Like, I don’t know. We just need to keep our wits about us and not ping pong from one bad idea to another bad idea. There is a kind of sensible way forward where we minimize the losses, where we strengthen the country to the extent we can, where we find something that every American has in common with every other American. That would be a good start. I don’t know. I think we can manage this if we stay calm. And just because this version of capitalism is clearly fake and the markets are clearly being manipulated and, you know, a lot of what we think is real is not real doesn’t mean that we need the state to run the economy, for example. Just because this war is insane and counterproductive doesn’t mean we need to disband the military. I mean, like, there’s a way to think about this that’s measured and thoughtful and not just reactionary, and I hope that we do. KELLY: Those trades that you made reference to are now the subject of a DOJ and Commodities Future Trading Commission investigation. Just for the listening audience, we’ve been talking about this a little on the show. They’re probing the $ 2.6 billion in oil trades related to the Iran war. ABC News obtaining the data that they’re looking into from the London Stock Exchange Group. They include on March 23rd, 15 minutes before Trump announced he would delay the threatened attacks on Iran’s power grid, traders bet more than $ 500 million the oil prices would fall. On April 7th, hours ahead of a temporary ceasefire announced by Trump, traders bet $ 960 million that oil prices would fall. On April 17th, 20 minutes before Iran’s foreign minister announced that the Hormuz was open, traders bet $ 760 million that oil prices would fall. On April 21st, 15 minutes before Trump announced that he would extend the ceasefire, traders placed a series of bets worth $ 430 million that oil prices would fall. Thank God they’re investigating this, Tucker. Thank God. I actually wondered and worried about whether they would ignore it. CARLSON: Maybe I’m too cynical. You mentioned 9-11. In the days before 9-11, someone with foreknowledge of 9-11 attacks bet big shorts against the airlines and the banks involved in those attacks. The FBI investigated it solemnly. We’ve got to find out who knew 9-11 was coming. They found out who did it, and they’ve never to this day released the identities of the person or people who made those bets. We have a right to know. We have a right to all 9-11 files declassified. No one is even trying to do that. No one will ever do that. You have to ask, well, why is that? Why can’t we know? I don’t know the answer, but we can’t even know that. I’m not too hopeful that we will find out who did this and that anyone will ever be punished.

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