Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) and FOX News host Martha MacCallum debated the lack of concern for then-President Joe Biden’s physical and mental capabilities.

REP. SETH MOULTON: There’s a fair question about whether this was actually something that should be on the table for discussion. MARTHA MACCALLUM, FOX NEWS: Well, but the problem is that the American people in the interim went to the polls and decided to elect Trump for another term, and you can argue about — MOULTON: Because that’s the way democracies work, Martha. That’s the beauty of democracies. MACCALLUM: But I’m asking you a very specific question, because you were with him on two different occasions and had serious questions about his abilities. Seventy to eighty percent in two different polls, Wall Street Journal and CNN, of the American public, said he can’t mentally or physically do the job anymore. So really, I think this has become a question, and I think it’s a valid question — MOULTON: — Martha, here’s my question — MACCALLUM: — for all of the people concerned. Why was he able to still be the president at that point? MOULTON: Here’s my point. Here’s my point. I saw him once at Normandy, and I had this question. But the people who saw him on a much more regular basis, his own cabinet officials, never had that discussion, and yet Trump’s cabinet did. So I don’t understand why you’re defending Trump when his cabinet was literally having a discussion about taking the presidential powers away from him. And yet Biden’s cabinet, who saw him every day, didn’t have that discussion. [CROSSTALK] MACCALLUM: I thought that discussion seemed ridiculous at that point, honestly, because there wasn’t any indication that he wasn’t capable, and certainly polls weren’t showing that he wasn’t capable. But I’m asking you — MOULTON: Well, actually, if you don’t follow the Constitution, you’re pretty incapable, because you’re supposed to actually uphold the oath that you swore to protect and defend the Constitution. So if you’re going to defend January 6th, go ahead, go to the grave defending January 6th. MACCALLUM: I completely understand that that’s your opinion on the issue, and I respect that. You’re entitled to your opinion and your perspective, and you’re an elected official. MOULTON: I’m entitled to respect the Constitution, Martha. I think you should respect the Constitution as well. MACCALLUM: I just don’t understand — MOULTON: And by the way, the reason that we want to have this discussion today is because behind us, Republicans are passing a massive bill to throw a bomb and blow up the deficit, to cut taxes for billionaires so that they can take health care away from millions of Americans and send a massive deficit to our kids to try to figure out how to pay for it. So look, I was honest about what I thought about Biden. I think Democrats need to regain credibility with the American people, so I’m willing to have this debate with you. But if you can’t be honest about what Trump’s own cabinet was saying about him — MACCALLUM: No, they said that. MOULTON: Then we can’t have an honest debate. MACCALLUM: They said that. Rod Rosenstein said it. I interviewed him. I’m not saying that that didn’t happen. I’m just asking why it didn’t happen when it seems like there was now so many people saying they were really worried about him. And it appears that his family was trying to keep him in place, that maybe people who worked for him were okay with the situation, that they were getting to do what they wanted to do by their proximity to the president. I’m raising this question because especially as a veteran, I’m asking, you know, given your very clear concerns that you made very early on, I’m asking if you had that. And you said no, you didn’t have that reservation about him as commander in chief. MOULTON: I asked this question of White House officials and they said no, when he has to make these decisions, he’s making the right decisions. And so, you know, those are the people who are close to him. But I think it’s a fair question for you as a reporter to ask these cabinet officials. I mean, I think I don’t have a problem with you asking them that question. But I certainly asked that question. I got answers that I thought were like, look, he might not be in his prime. We could all see that with our own eyes. But he’s not incompetent. He’s not violating the Constitution. He’s not forgetting his oath. He’s not inciting an insurrection. Right. So those are things that Biden was still able to do right by the oath that he swore to protect and defend the Constitution, which is fundamentally the job that he has as president of the United States. MACCALLUM: I understand your thoughts on that. And I thank you very much for joining us. Thank you.

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