Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA) and FOX News host Sean Hannity argue over ICE’s conduct in Minneapolis and immigration enforcement on Friday’s “Hannity.”

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Actor Giancarlo Esposito accusing rich white men of using their power to create the feeling of a civil war in the streets. Now, rhetoric like this, it’s vile in any situation, but it’s even more alarming when it comes from elected officials. That doesn’t seem to want to stop the left wing from spewing that vitriol. Take a look at some of the recent comments from our guest, our next guest from Massachusetts, Democratic Congressman Seth Moulton. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MOULTON: Stephen Miller, the modern incarnation of the gestapo right here in America, a racist full and through. Those federal ICE officers are absolute cowards. I’m a marine veteran standing here telling you to your face they are unprofessional, pathetic cowards. ICE is beyond repair. It obviously needs to be abolished. But even more urgently, it’s gang of criminal enforcers needs to be prosecuted. I don’t think that the comparisons with Nazi Germany are extreme because that’s what happened too. That’s why ordinary German citizens began to accept the idea that certain members of their — of their community would be singled out. I mean, they have ICE tip lines, would be directly targeted in violation of the laws of the land. (END VIDEO CLIP) HANNITY: All right. Here now, Democratic Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton. I’m hoping, Congressman, we could have a conversation. First of all, you’re a marine. Thank you for your service. Semper fi. MOULTON: Thank you, Sean. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. I appreciate — I appreciate it. Hey, look, you called me an idiot all week. I got to give you a chance to prove your point. So, thanks for having me on. HANNITY: Well, I did and I believe that to be true to be honest. I mean, you did call ICE cowards, and you want to prosecute them. You think it’s okay for comparisons with Nazi Germany. Stephen Miller, who’s Jewish, you compared to modern day gestapo. But I want to start with something else and maybe you can explain this. When President Trump had gave his joint speech before Congress and he introduced the family of Laken Riley and the family of Jocelyn Nungaray, murdered by unvetted Biden-Harris illegal immigrants. I didn’t see anyone in your party stand. Did you stand? MOULTON: I actually was standing at the time in the back. So — so I was there and look, I don’t think that that Laken Riley should have been killed. I also don’t think that Alex Pretti or Renee Good should have been killed. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Fair enough. We’ll talk about that in a minute. I want — I just want to establish where you’re coming from. Now — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Yeah, I’m going to call both sides here. HANNITY: No, that’s fine. MOULTON: Sean, I’ve criticized Biden for his immigration policy. I’ve criticized him for his Afghanistan withdrawal. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: I’m going to scroll — MOULTON: I’m not afraid to criticize him. I would love to see you criticize Trump once in a while. That’s all I’m asking for is just be honest here. HANNITY: I think ICE has the most difficult job. And I’m going to scroll just to inform you and help educate you, the names of people that have been victims in your state of Massachusetts. The most violent, vile, vicious crimes. And as I scroll this, I want you to explain the people that risk their lives to arrest all of these people, murderers, rapists, violent criminals, the whole list of them, they were arrested because of brave ICE agents that you call cowards and that you think should be defunded and prosecuted. All those people would be on the streets of your state but for ICE doing their job and putting their lives on the line. Don’t you find that a little ironic that you’re calling them cowards? They arrested all those dangerous criminals. You’re going to defend that? MOULTON: You know, Sean, I talk to cops all the time. There’s no one who hates bad cops more than good cops because they give everybody a bad name. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You didn’t answer it. Answer my question. These are the worst people in your state. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: I’m not saying that good cops should be called cowards. But when you are essentially executing a protester on the street after you’ve five or six Border Patrol officers, are you telling me they’re so pathetic they can’t subdue this guy that when he’s down on the ground, he exercises Second Amendment right — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: But then they disarm him and they’re going to shoot him 10 times. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: — we can talk about the two cases in the news. MOULTON: I think people who break the law should be prosecuted. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You’re not answering my question. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: I think ICE officers who break the law should be prosecuted as well. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You said all of ICE. You didn’t say that. You didn’t clarify. You didn’t put any qualifications on at all. MOULTON: OK, well, I’m going to — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You said, hang on. You said ICE — you said ICE are cowards. ICE should be defunded and that ICE should be prosecuted, and you have no problem saying generally, broad sweeping brush here, that they are Nazis, and it’s okay to make that comparison. Now, as you answer the question, I’m going to show again all the people in your state that those brave officers arrested to keep your cities, your town safe and secure. Don’t you think you owe them an apology for your broad sweeping generalization that they’re cowards that should be prosecuted and it’s okay to call them Nazis? Don’t you think you’re putting their lives in jeopardy? Congressman, take your time answering. MOULTON: Don’t you think that you should be able to call law enforcement officers who break the law — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You didn’t make that qualification. You didn’t make that distinction. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: I don’t have a problem — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: You did not make that distinction. MOULTON: You’re not letting me answer the question. I don’t have a problem saying that the people you are scrolling on my screen should be prosecuted because they broke the law. I don’t understand why the right has such a problem saying that federal officials who break the law should be prosecuted. And candidly, yes, I do think if you’re wearing a mask trying to enforce the law, you think you’re above it. You’re a coward. I don’t have a problem saying that. When I served in Iraq and people were actually shooting at me, I never wore a mask. People said lots of mean things to me. I never wore a mask. People assaulted me without — they tried to kill me, too, but when they assaulted us, we didn’t turn around and murder them. That’s just acting as a professional — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: There’s 8,000 percent — MOULTON: I think we should have an expectation of law enforcement. HANNITY: Let me help you with the — let me help educate you on this point, 8,000 percent increase in threats on ICE agents. Their homes have been doxed. Their families have been threatened. Thirteen hundred percent increase on assaults on ICE agents. A 3,200 percent increase on vehicular attacks against them. So, you make all these comparisons and you say all of this stuff. Why don’t you just admit and it wouldn’t be that hard for you to do or concede — I will say that in the case of Renee Good, she should not have accelerated her car and caused internal bleeding of that officer and I believe that she initiated that. This guy — I think it’s yet to be determined. We saw the video of him days prior, didn’t look very good when he was spitting at, cursing at, and kicking the tail light off that car of those ICE agents and law enforcement. But here’s your mistake. Instead of broad sweeping generalizations, I think you could do yourself and the country a lot of good tonight if you say, I made a mistake by saying every ICE agent is a coward. Every ICE agent should be — all of ICE should be defunded. They should all be prosecuted. And I think you owe Stephen Miller, who’s Jewish, an apology for calling him modern-day gestapo. I’m going to give you a chance to clarify or revise and extend your remarks as you like to say in Congress. Would you like to do that? MOULTON: Sean, you just put words in my mouth by saying “every”, that’s not a word that I used. That’s not what I said. But guess what? I’ve broken a tail light before. I don’t think I should be executed for it. Do you blame the protesters in Iran — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: That’s not what happened. That was a separate incident. MOULTON: — violence that’s gotten thousands of them killed? Is that your — is that your accusation? They shouldn’t be using that inciteful rhetoric. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: I have your exact comment — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: They shouldn’t be starting fires in the street because the state police come down — federal officers come down and kill them. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: This is important. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: I don’t think that’s right, Sean. I don’t think that’s very American. HANNITY: ICE, you are a coward. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: What I would like you to say I would like you to say maybe — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: — should not be condoning this violence. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: ICE, you need to be prosecuted. Is that what you’re saying — do you — did you mean to make a distinction between some — maybe a few bad apples or are you saying all of ICE should be defunded? Are you saying it’s okay to call all of ICE Nazis? Do you not see that that is a loaded term. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Hang on. That is a loaded term. That is insightful and dehumanizing. MOULTON: Believe it or not, I believe in American values, and I think people who break the law should be prosecuted. That’s kind of standard in America. HANNITY: I agree. I agree. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: We should prosecute criminals. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: That means everyone that entered the country illegally should be arrested, right? MOULTON: Hey, look, if you break the law, you should be prosecuted. I also think — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: And you have to be arrested. MOULTON: — immigration reform. I also think that we should have immigration reform — HANNITY: Right. MOULTON: — because there was an 18-year-old — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: If you entered the country illegally — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Who got arrested — HANNITY: Wait, we found a point of agreement. If you entered the country illegally, you should be arrested and deported. Correct? Would you agree with that? MOULTON: Eighteen-year-old who violated an immigration order when he was six, he should be arrested for that? I don’t think so. HANNITY: I’m asking you. MOULTON: I think we need to reform our immigration — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: The way that — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: As somebody that’s put himself in harm’s way, let me ask this — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: — and did in this before Trump said that we should sink it. HANNITY: Let me ask you a question issue. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: He wants an issue. HANNITY: As somebody that did put himself in harm’s way, I would think you might have a little more insight than you’re showing here. In other words, don’t you think that 99 percent of soldiers that you fought with were good people that were risking their lives for a cause that their government believed in, right or wrong? Don’t you think the 99 percent of ICE agents that are arresting the worst of the worst that Joe Biden allowed into the country? Do you think — don’t you think they deserve better than a broad sweeping generalization from an elected official like you calling them a coward that should be prosecuted and that their job should be eliminated? Why don’t you just say I meant the bad apple, Sean? You’re right. Why don’t you just say that? One last chance. MOULTON: Hey, Sean, I didn’t serve with soldiers. I served with Marines. And yes — HANNITY: Semper fi. MOULTON: They were really great Marines. And you know what? They would never behave like so many of these ICE officers way more than — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Don’t you think there’s a bad apple here or there — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: — behaving in Minneapolis. HANNITY: There’s not a bad apple? (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Any 18-year-old private who did what those officers did to Jake – – to Alex Pretti or Renee Good, they’d be court martialed. And that’s what should happen with the ICE officers. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: This is the last thing I want to say to you and then I have to run. Listen, the problem is, is their job is hard enough. They’re arresting the worst of the worst even in your state — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Sure, that’s (INAUDIBLE) excuse for not following the law. They should be professionals like — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: I’m all for getting bad — I’m all for getting bad apples — (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: — a little bit tougher than that. HANNITY: The problem is what you’re doing is you’re inciting, what you are doing is speaking with broad generalization. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: No, no, no — HANNITY: What you are doing is dehumanizing and it is inciting a mob, and you need to as a leader deescalate not escalate. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: So, again, you’re siding with the regime in Iran, blaming the protesters for the fact that thousands of them — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: I’m not blaming the protesters in Iran. I think they’re brave. No, I think they’re brave and help is on the way. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Protesters in Minneapolis are brave, too. I think they’re actually exercising their First Amendment rights. HANNITY: What about the — what about the ones that are attacking officers and doxing them? MOULTON: Kicking a tail light is attacking an officer? Kicking a tail light is attacking an officer? Guess what? (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Yeah, the officers have been attacked left and right. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: — I don’t think you should be executed for kicking a tail light, Sean. I’m sorry. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Eight thousand percent increase. You got to look at the stats. They’re real. It’s very hard what’s happening and you’re causing it. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Hey, you know what’s also real? The video — (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Your irresponsible rhetoric is contributing to it. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: The video of Alex Pretti getting murdered, it’s pretty real. HANNITY: I got to take a break. MOULTON: It’s pretty real. And I think people should look at that and see what happened. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: Well, you know, let’s see what the court system says. MOULTON: Whether or not those officers should be prosecuted. I think that’s a fair question. HANNITY: You know what? We’ll see. You know what? I still have questions about that video. I want to get to the bottom of it just as much as you do. And then I think time will tell. MOULTON: Well, then let’s have an investigation. I’m glad the president has backtracked and actually started an investigation. (CROSSTALK) HANNITY: I think you should apologize for your broad sweeping generalizations because you’re inciting and you’re putting their lives at risk and you should know better. You should know better. MOULTON: I think you should apologize for defending the administration when they call these protesters domestic terrorist. HANNITY: They’re the ones arresting all the bad guys except you’re making it hard for them. I got to go. (CROSSTALK) MOULTON: Wait, wait. This V.A. nurse a bad guy? HANNITY: I appreciate you being with us. Thank you. Semper fi. Thank you for your service.

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